Hi everyone. I haven't posted for a while, been poorly. Thank you for all the advice and the response to my initial query has been very good. I am meeting with the consultant again in the 32nd week, I will also be speaking to the anesthetist then. I have also been in touch with my HLC to help as and when needed. Will keep you all informed of my progress. Many thanks again for the replies and keep them coming in. Kind regards Moesha1

Hello everyone, hope you are all well. I initially started this thread when I had been to see my obstetrician and wasn't happy with the outcome. Well the good news is, I had a review today and things went very differently. First of all I had my advance directive signed and ready, I also made sure I had been as specific as I could about my instructions about what I will and will not accept. Secondly I got in touch with a member of the HLC and took him with me. My obstetrician was so accommodating this time it was scary. She said that my instructions weren't a problem and could be followed through if I did go into trauma. They had all the non-blood treatments on sight if I needed them and she even ran through my care plan with me word for word so I would understand exactly what I was asking for, so that she could observe that I was making an informed decision about not wanting blood. I was really pleased with the meeting. Hopefully there will be no problems with the birth and everything will run smoothly, but in case there is, at least she understands my wishes and can give me the best treatment possible. Thank you to everyone that has posted on this thread. I think this is a great sight and a positive step forward in recognising that blood is not the only option, if anything I would argue that it really shouldn't be considered at all.
Regards Moesha1

There are several bodies who endorse cell salvage, Confidential Enquiry into Maternal and Child Health(CEMACH), American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG), the (OAA/AAGBI) Obstetric Anaesthetic Services, a cautious endorsement by National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE), National Blood Services (NBS).

We are all going to hope for the best possible outcome. A healthy baby and mommy with the little one having 10 fingers and 10 toes. Continue to keep us posted.

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you could find another hospital who is considerate of your wishes, but speak to the HLC first, we deserve better treatment than that hospital was offering.

The HLC have a protocol for treating pregnant women with anaemia, ask the HLC about it, possibly get a copy [if they have it in the states]

Once a woman is pregnant is she a good candidate to research safer birth options then active management that uses drugs, harmful flat on the back birth positions, that make birth harder on mother and child, cutting of her body, and followed with instruments to pull out a baby from a drugged mother's body, followed by a drugged baby put in danger of anemic conditions by early umbilical cord clamping. Will the mother and the natural father be approachable to safer birth options? I hope so, and if so, go to:
primal and natural birth choices of a signed birth contract. This allows the mother to take suggestions and be in control by a waiver of what is to be done or not done to her body and to her newborn child or children, if a multiple birth. Education takes away fear factors and the allows the mother to know what to expect, when expecting. Education is power and emancipation in the birth room. It is not against the law for the woman to have a natural birth in her own home, as long as the intent is not to willfully kill the child, infanticide. She does not have to consent to her body cut or to take drugs. She can protect herself, being in control by that signed birth contract. If the hospital insists on imposing their appropriate care, not clearly stating what that means, or appropriate discarding of tissues, human tissues, like blood, not clearly stating they intend to sell the separated whole blood elements...that is not full disclosure or a witnessed tissue discarded by observed burning. Appropriate care or discarding is not true informed consent.
Urls to study and get information from: www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/102580814
www.cordclamp.com
www.lotusbirth.com
www.medicalveritas.com See complimentary articles - criminal and bogus teaching on birth trends, and other brochures on how to have a healthy child and a safer choice on delivery methods to both mother and child.
I am in favor of pro-conception education. The truth in reproduction to the safer options and choices in the delivery of the child is not shared in public education or in advanced education science and health courses. Why not?

I asked a paediatric haemotologist in another thread about sickle cell disease about the ethical implications of clinical trials in babies, I know they don't happen. I think your post,'spare babies' is in response to that. I would be glad to hear from you, you mention ways to reduce the incidence of anaemia in a newborn which is interesting, please pm me detailing your work and information to share

all the best, you came marching out triumpant from the meeting with the obstetrician moesha1, congratulations, from Scotland.

Dear Scottishone,
The facts of weaker babies has been known since 1801. But since most babies are revived, the side effects are internal and the parents do not realize their baby is weaker and will not competete as well as babies who are not early cord clamped. Doctors have the power of choice. Trusting parents-to-be are simply decived in what we have been trained to do, blindly trust those we think are in authority over us: Those trained to question authorities are not thought medically sound, and are considered sick. This is contrary to normal cultures to question by those of the Dobu Island in Melanesia. Doctors also do not want to be questioned as to their control over the birth care. We must then have a signed birth contract after we are more educated and in control. Education is powerful. Can you order in this very large textbook, 7th edition, 2000, of the Lippincott Manual of Nursing Practice. Go to page 1161, there you will find out that the moral and ethical trained R.N.s were fully aware that up to 60% more blood goes into the infant's expanding lungs, if the umbilical cord was not clamped while yet pulsating. The nurses fear for their jobs if they report the doctor doing instant and early cord clamping. This is even when the assault and battery on the infant is a reportable offense to false teachings. Those wanting cells stored of any kind of tissue are the Obstetricians and Gynecologists group, as to their policy of directing immediate cord clamping. The blood trapped in the placenta is not normally poured down the drain, but without informed consent it is practically used and sold for internal profits to the birth institution, or to private collectors rights of medical persons and their labs that receive the placenta and all its contents, drained out and shipped to them. See policy of internation gynecologists groups that directed for false reasons early cord clamping.
More reference can be found on my shared birth story, check out the legal case-laws and those that made devious policies on early cord clamping, and my comments of the bibliography. www.medicalveritas.com/manDyoung.pdf

All babies including C-section babies can be allowed full blood infusion. Read the comments at: www.bmj.com/cgi/eletters/336/7635/85 Do not allow the demonstration to students on another's child that may be your next of kin of the threat to the child of finger and thumb finger squeezing off the infant's life line and qaulity of life line. The T. Peltonen reference indicated the heart wil shrink and may not go back to fetus size once the cord is released for infusion into the heart and lungs, again. That this may happen in birth of a compressed cord, is no good excuse for any medical person to impose it of self-choice. Whose child is being put to threat of a heart murmur or a hole in the heart if full capacity of blood is not allowed infused into the baby's expanding lungs, while maintaining pressure and volume to both sides of the cell. Now do you understand how cells collapse and the child suffers a heart attack or a stroke. Then the doctors say they don't know what caused it. Yes, they do. But they fear criminal charges for following bad science and medicine, and not reporting those societies that need to be fined in a criminal court, and long ago.
If you email me personally, dyoung@pris.ca with a response to your email, I will send you more current information, if you are interested in prevention.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Any multiple birthed child by c-section will have been immediately clamped. They took the baby's natural immunities away and caused each child lung damage, and other internal organs. So that is why the babies born in Vancouver, had to have a top of blood so they did not die. Oxygen alone will not revive the baby or spare internal damages. They needed all their blood shared in the placenta, or the placentas if the babies were not identical children.
Thanks for your reading of my concerns, on the internet for many years.

got upto here when reading this

you say at the start that the umbilical cord should not be clamped early on

when should it be clamped, how many hours after birth?

However quoting from the post above you say

"there you will find out that the moral and ethical trained R.N.s were fully aware that up to 60% more blood goes into the infant's expanding lungs, if the umbilical cord was not clamped while yet pulsating"

that more blood goes into the infants lungs if the umbilical cord, does the pulsating nature exist late on or at the start, I don't understand that section above.


Mr Young, I will email you when I have more time, going to look at liposomal delivery of drugs tonight, liposomes target specific organs.

What influence does the mothers haemoglobin level, her haematocrit have on the child and do you know if recombinant anti-d is available in the UK or anywhere?

Hello Scottishone,
If a mother has low red cells, she has fewer cells to carry oxygen to the placenta. The placenta takes all the good from the mother's blood stream, so she will become more anemic as the baby takes the best she had to offer. If she is not healthy, her health will naturally go down. The fetus is like a parasite, it feeds off the good of the host. If the mother has a bad life style, like abuse of drugs, smoking or alcohol, she is going to have a smaller and perhaps sickly child.
The mother has right to a primal and natural birth, no drugs, forward birth position, off her back, so she can have gravity work in her favor and the child. Go to birth contract at www.lotusbirth.com Check the list of contents, click on it, and study as much as you wish, free of charge. Lotus birth is no cord tying off the cord, clamping it off, or hand-squeezing it off ever or cutting away the cord, ever. The baby's natural placenta and cord will fall away for a perfect navel, in two or three days. Go to the information of Dr. Sarah Jane Buckley. She had such three out of four births. But I do not agree of going along with the medical system of taking blood samples from a healthy baby. You can cause the entry of a bug into the child's otherwise healthy system. Who knows when that virus flares up in the future.
Call me any time. 1-250-782-9223
Donna
Vitis this Petition, too: www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/102580814
Read the entire petition. There is deception why medical persons involve themselves in early cord clamping. Most are paid to collect the baby's blood to send it to private or public cord blood banks. The baby is weaker, and may be anemic the rest of their growing years, never catching up. It all depends on the means of good food and supplements, and breast-feeding for a child that begins life of medical caused anemic condition. Pass the information on to others...they have a right to contract of the care to the mother and her baby...during labor and after birth care. Right of a signed contract is natural rights.
Donna